How to build your public speaking profile

Increase confidence, improve your offering and book speaking slots

This week we are joined by Niraj Kapur, sales and LinkedIn trainer, bestselling author and captivating keynote speaker.

In this riveting conversation, we delve into Niraj’s journey and how he discovered his passion for public speaking. We explore the benefits of public speaking and why it can be a game-changer for anyone’s personal and professional growth. Niraj sheds light on overcoming the fear of public speaking and provides practical tips to boost confidence when addressing an audience. Niraj shares invaluable advice on developing public speaking skills and finding a compelling topic that resonates with a target audience. He provides guidance on identifying opportunities to showcase your speaking prowess and how to gain visibility in the speaking circuit.

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Podcast Transcript

EPISODE OVERVIEW

 

Introduction – Background on Niraj Kapur

04:26 – Why should people do public speaking?

05:26 – How to increase your confidence with public speaking

09:50 – Tips on developing public speaking

12:30 – How to identify your topic and target audience

16:30 – The importance of being yourself and being vulnerable

18:37 – How to find speaking opportunities

20:39 – How to measure success in a public speaking gig

30:10 – Can anyone just build a career as a public speaker?

35:16 – The importance of building a public profile on social channels

37:18 – Good resources and people to follow

39:33 – How to work with Niraj

Introducing Niraj Kapur

Niraj is a sales and LinkedIn trainer, bestselling author and captivating keynote speaker. He is a LinkedIn Top Voice, often talking about mindset, sales, LinkedIn training and of course public speaking. He has spoken at over 100 events and has delivered LinkedIn and Sales Training to over 500 businesses, and most notably last year delivered a TedX talk ‘How Vulnerability Changed My Life.’ So we cannot wait to get stuck in and learn from this amazing guest.

Why should people do public speaking?

Niraj believes public speaking is a lot like sales. When you do sales, you learn so many skills, like copywriting, marketing and listening. With public speaking, you learn so many skills as well. You learn how to communicate, you learn how to get your message across in a certain way and you also develop your own voice. When you build authority like that, you start to get incoming inquiries into your business.

“The paid for events I’ve spoken at, that is where I normally win a lot of business, and that’s very important, too. So it’s good for authority, it’s good for learning, it’s good for communication, it’s good for meeting like minded people as well. There’s so many things. It’s not just one thing. Speaking in public, there are so many benefits from that.”

How to increase your confidence with public speaking

Niraj relates how his legs were shaking for the first ten to fifteen times he got up on stage and says there isn’t much you can do about that in your early talks. But he does have some great tips to help you move passed that fear.

First of all, you have to practice regularly. If you want to be good at it then public speaking is not something you do now and again when you get work or when you feel like it.
“Everyday, every morning before work, I spend half an hour reading, and I spend 1 hour reading on Saturdays and 2 hours reading on Sundays. I’m a massive reader because every day you want to get better. Same rule goes for public speaking. You have to practice your skills every day. And I practiced that by doing events and I went to every networking event I could. And especially in lockdown, when everything sort of disappeared, I was doing morning, afternoon, and evening networking events just to keep my skills going.”

Work for free. Although Niraj is against working for free, he agrees when you’re starting out, you have to do it, and you take any job you can get.
“Speak in front of eight people. You speak in front of 20 people. You speak in front of 50 people. You speak on Zoom. You have to learn to speak in so many different situations. So practice, practice, practice, practice.”

A really good tip is to find people who are successful and ask them for help. And if they don’t help you, ask them how much you have to pay them to get them to help you, and you’ll find very quickly their attitude changes.
“Always ask people, and if they’re generous with their time, fantastic. If they’re not, just say, look, how much do I have to pay you to help me? And then sometimes they’ll give you a fee, or sometimes they’ll guide you to somebody else, depending how busy they are.”

Niraj has invested in speaking coaches, he’s gone to professional speaker association events and has attended Toastmasters.
“I’ve really learned my craft, and that’s something a lot of people just simply do not do enough. And even when it came to my TEDx, I hired a TEDx coach. None of the other speakers did. 1s And on that night, you could tell the difference between me because you can tell I had a coach work with me because my talk was so powerful.”

Rob: “Do you ever get impostor syndrome? Probably not now, but at the beginning, even though you’ve written this book and you’re one of the best out there, but do you still get that ever?”

“Not now, but definitely the first few years it was very difficult because you’re seeing people speak at events, you’re going, ‘Oh my God, I’m nowhere near that level of excellence.’ But the thing is, if you approach a speaker at an event saying, ‘I just saw you speak, I thought you were amazing. How did you do that?’ You’d be amazed the number of speakers who will be kind enough just to give me 60 seconds of their time. They won’t say, let’s have a half an hour’s of them call, but they will give you 60 seconds of their time. And a lot of them will be humble and say, oh, that’s very kind. I’m not really that good. But the really good ones will say, well, I practice a lot, or I read a lot of books, or I’m open to making mistakes, or I attended this event, or I hired a coach. And that’s how you learn. Everything I’m telling you right now are things I’ve learned myself, but also things I’ve learned just from talking to other speakers and looking at how people do things.”

"Really, at the beginning, I was very nervous. You have butterflies in your stomach, you want to throw up everywhere, and your legs wobble for at least the first 10 or 15 times you're on stage, and that's just nerves. But it's like anything. If you want to get better at anything, you have to do a number of things. First of all, you have to practice regularly."
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Tips to develop your public speaking

If you’re looking to develop your public speaking here are three books to buy and read:

Talk Like Ted by Carmine Gallo
Ted Talks by Chris Anderson
Born to Speak by Richard Newman

Niraj says when doing your learning, don’t just use one source. Read many books from many authors and take home the bits that resonate most with you.

Another tip is to attend Professional Speaking Association events. They cost about £90 in London and probably about £50 to £70 outside London.

Find a really successful speaker and ask them to coach you. That’s a great way of learning but prices can be higher.

Another great way to develop your public speaking is to record yourself on your mobile phone and watch yourself back. This helps get rid of all the ‘ers’ and weird facial expressions and let’s you look at how you stand and present yourself and work out any niggles.
“I didn’t record my first 10 or 15 talks. I think it was about a 15th or 16th talk I recorded. And I looked at myself and I’m like, ‘Oh my God. I didn’t blink once.’ I looked I looked like a serial killer. So self awareness is very important.”

A final tip is to never be afraid to ask for help. A lot of people do. The worst someone is going to say is, no, that’s the very worst.

“Nobody has ever used profanity to me or anything like that. It’s simply a no, I’m too busy, or they ignore you. And then I’ll ask, okay, well, how much money do I have to pay to hire you? Because I think you’re really good. And like I said, you’ll find people’s attitudes change very quickly when you say that, and they will either take the coaching money or recommend you to somebody very good who they happen to know.”

How to identify your topic and target audience

Niraj recommends the best way to find your topic and target audience is to simply post regularly on LinkedIn, because by doing that it’s a great way to find your voice.

“So my first few years in business, I really struggled, partly because I had no idea how to run a business. But then also I was going through a very painful divorce and then lockdown happened and those two events were kind of a big shock to my system. And I guess the third one would be living alone in lockdown. So that really affected me very badly. And so all of a sudden, I didn’t want to write about sales anymore or LinkedIn. It just wasn’t important. What was important was me trying to survive in life. And I started talking about survival and mental health problems back in 2020 when not many people, especially not many men, were talking about it. And I started talking about loneliness, which again, nobody was really talking about. And that’s how I found my voice. I talked about my real life experiences in what I was going through. And what shocked me was I went from being a complete nobody on LinkedIn and I was a complete nobody to getting 1,000 followers 2,000, 3,000, 5,000, 8,000 and within just over a year 19,000 followers, which was a complete I mean, it was a real shock to the system, but a good shock to the system. And people who reached out to say, we love your voice, we love your authenticity, that’s why people connected with me. It’s not because I’m the best speaker in the UK, because I’m really not. I’m not even close. But I’m the real deal. I’ve endured hardship and I’ve overcome it. I didn’t overcome it a few weeks. I didn’t overcome it by crushing it or killing it or sleeping 4 hours a night or working seven days a week and doing 100 hours weeks. I overcame it like a real human being. And it was a real, real struggle. And people just relate to that struggle. And my advice to anybody who’s unsure of what to say is start posting on LinkedIn twice a week and then three times a week.”

The importance of being yourself

Don’t copy others. Post your thoughts and your journey and if people resonate with that, you’ve found your audience.

“Right now, there are coaches everywhere, there are experts everywhere. If there’s one thing LinkedIn doesn’t need, it’s another LinkedIn coach or another expert telling you what to do. What LinkedIn doesn’t need is another person sending you a LinkedIn message saying ‘Hi, I can get you 15 to 30 qualified leads per month.’ No, you can’t. I’ve seen your LinkedIn profile, it’s terrible. Go away. So many bad people out there selling. So if you can stand out and be a bit different, it makes such a big difference in terms of people recognizing you.”

 

Jonny: How important is it in public speaking to make yourself vulnerable and talk about your vulnerabilities as you do? Does that make you more relatable? Is that something that would work for everyone?

“You know, sales and business have changed more in the last three years than the last ten years. However, there are certain things that have not changed. The good stuff doesn’t change. Like sending thank you cards in the post is something I still do. Writing letters to people is something I still do because certain things don’t go out of style. And one thing that doesn’t go out of style is that people tend to buy from people they like know and trust. And most of my business comes from people who trust me. They like my content, of course, that’s very important. But they trust me because they know I’m the real deal. So when I talk about vulnerability, I do it partly because I’m running from experience and it’s very therapeutic, but also because it helps other people. And there’s a lot of people out there, don’t forget, who are introverts. And as a result, they’re never going to share this on LinkedIn. There’s a lot of people out there who work in industries like insurance or banking or the car industry or logistics, where they simply cannot talk about their feelings at all. I know this because they message me all the time and tell me so. It’s not for everybody. Not everybody feels comfortable doing it. I naturally encourage people to do it because it’s been very successful for me and it’s been very successful for hundreds of my clients. And I always say to people, look, you don’t have to share every scar like I did. Simply talk about challenges you’ve had in life and how you overcome it. That is how people relate to you very quickly.”

How to find speaking opportunities

As with anything you do in life, it’s very important to start small.

“I made the mistake after going to Tony Robbins of trying to do a huge event Tony Robbins style. I hired a massive camera crew, cost me so much money. I lost so much money. So don’t try and go too big at the beginning. It’s always good to start off small, trial things out, make mistakes.”

A great place to find speaking opportunities is at local networking groups. By attending regularly, you can approach the organizers and let them know you have something valuable you’d like to share on a certain topic and see if this would be of interest. Speak for free at as many of them as you can until you feel comfortable enough to go out there and start charging money for it.

Niraj personally thinks doing your own events are brilliant idea. Running your own event is a tremendous skill to have in itself.
“And I still run events to this day because it builds your brand, builds your awareness, and lets people know about you. And once I ran my own events, people started to pay attention and started to ask me to speak at their events.”

Measuring success in public speaking - how do you know an event went well?

Ask for feedback.

Ask for feedback from both delegates and the event organisers. Niraj shares a handy tip where he asks for his speaking slot to always be before lunch or a break so the talk is fresh in people’s minds and he can mingle and get feedback. Niraj says never ask to go last, because a lot of people (about 10% of the audience he believes) leave before the end.

Ask questions such as; How did you find the talk overall? What did you like about it? How could I improve?

“Even my TEDx Talk, which is one of the best talks I gave, I still asked, what could I have done differently? And although most of the feedback was amazing, one person said, you did the go on a wee bit. And she goes, you spoke a bit differently. I’m used to you speaking more high energy. And I said, no, it’s a good point. I was actually surprisingly nervous.”

After the event, give the organizers a day to recover, and then two days after you can ask for feedback. Try questions like; Can I ask what you like about my talk? But more importantly, what would you like me to do better? In Niraj’s experience most will come back to you and usually they are very complimentary. Not many people will tell you how to do better, but every now and end that will say, well, you spoke it too long on stage, or you went on too much with this, or maybe you sold a tiny bit too much it’s a great way to get feedback from people as well.

Can anyone just build a career as a public speaker?

“I find that people who are the best public speakers, with one or two very rare exceptions, most of them are not just public speakers. They are authors. They have their own businesses because that’s what makes you interesting new experiences in life and doing interesting things makes you a better public speaker as well. And when I look at my friends who are successful public speakers and my business connections who are public speakers, they all still have their own businesses. Majority of them are authors as well.”

“I think probably Andy Preston is the only person I know, and Chris Moon [that are not authors]. And they are just purely public speakers. They’re brilliant at what they do. But again, it took them years. We’re talking like at least five years to get to where they are. And I think people need to understand, because there’s so much stuff on the internet these days about how, you know, lose weight by eating as much as you want and turning your business around in three months and getting six figures. That rarely happens.”

Niraj relays his own difficulties in becoming a public speaker and how even he doesn’t rely on this as a sole income:

“I know people who’ve done six figures within two years of a business, which is incredible. That’s very rare. Majority of the time, it’s going to take you at least it took me three years to earn what I would call proper money in public speaking. You know, 2022 was the best year of my career. I spoke in Barcelona. I was flown over to Croatia, I was flown over to Europe, I was flown over to Portugal. That was an amazing experience. I did six talks to America. Okay? It was all on zoom. And I did seven talks in London, face to face. That was outstanding. But 2023, it’s been very quiet for me. The Q1 was amazing. Q2 completely dead. So you have to put those things in mind. That’s why public speaking is a big part of what I do. But at the same time, it’s my one to one coaching and it’s my LinkedIn training that’s the fuel for my business.”

“My advice is, don’t just focus on public speaking. I mean, focus on it and work at it, but make sure you’re not doing that at the detriment of learning other new skills elsewhere as well.”

 

Rob: “So do you think there’s a benefit to sort of having your own book? Do you think it’s like the new business card? Does it give you sort of that extra credibility, you know, for your personal brand?”

“It helped, I think a few years ago, it was a good thing to do as an extension of your business card. It did give you that extra bit of credibility. The problem is, every man and his dog now is writing a book. And Amazon made it so easy that there’s no quality control. That’s a big problem you have, especially with self published books. There’s no quality control. Anybody can write a book, upload it, publish it and say they’re an author. And I’ve read hundreds of self published books and about 90% stink. I mean, they reek because what most authors do is they go, oh my God, this is great. I can bypass a publisher, I can bypass an agent. They often do the design themselves, they do the editing themselves, they do the indexing themselves. And you read these books going, yep, I can tell you did it all by yourself because it’s just not very good. For my third book, I spent over £3000 on an editor, a deputy editor, an indexer, a cover design. It costs money to do anything well. And so my third book, again, you hold my third book in your hand, it looks so different. It looks like a professional book. There’s no way in a million years you could tell it’s self published ever, because it looks that good and that’s what you want to do. And also for me as an author, it was only after my second book people started noticing me. And it’s only come my third book, people have started to pay attention. So my advice is, if you’re going to write a book, think of writing three books. Don’t just write one. Unless your book happens to be Start with Why by Simon Sinek, which again, very few people can do. Most people, it takes at least two or three books to get recognized. […]. So my advice to you, Rob, is please don’t think of one book, think of three books. And also, if the book’s going to be on marketing, please make it interesting because most marketing books are really dull.”

Good resources or people to follow

“I’m not a huge fan of free because I believe you get what you pay for in life.”

The books I recommended, Ted Talks by Chris Anderson, Talk Like Ted by Carmine Gallo, and You Were Born to Speak by Richard Newman, are three of the best books I’ve read. 

Go to Professional Speaker Associations and Toastmasters events regularly.

Then start to give talks at networking events, attend networking events, speak to people who run the networking events. This is how you get really comfortable with public speaking and those resources will not cost you that much.

The next levels after that, of course, are going to big conferences and watching how the big speakers talk and how they come across and again, learn from them. And if a lot of these big speakers have their own exhibition stands, go and buy their books, even if it’s not relating to public speaking. Just buy their books, get an autograph, take a selfie social media, and you’ll find very quickly they’ll thank you. And it’s much easier to talk to them when you do stuff like that.

“I always find when I want something from somebody, I’ll buy something that they have usually a book or a podcast or a course, and then promote it. And then nine times out of ten, that person will at least give me a few minutes of their time, because I’ve given value first, not just by investing in them, but by promoting them. And it’s quite rare, they say no, it really is.”

How to work with Niraj Kapur

You can check out Niraj in all the places below:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nkapur/

Website: Everybody Works in Sales

Phrase of the show

"I'm not a huge fan of free because I believe you get what you pay for in life"

We love Niraj’s take on this and from his personal experiences he’s always found paying or offering to pay people yields much better results. As mentioned earlier even buying and sharing someone’s book before asking advice means they are more likely to open the door.

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